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Insurers are inside the business of assessing, pricing and covering risk—however are they using risk as a lens to help their clients? Eric Joost from Willis Towers Watson talks approximately what takes place while you overlap threat, people and business approach.
Highlights
- In this episode of the Accenture Insurance Influencers Podcast, we talk with Eric Joost, an government with greater than 30 years’ revel in within the insurance industry.
- The coverage industry has modified in 4 key approaches: pace, records and analytics, marketplace size and dealer consolidation.
- Technology is supporting enterprise players become greater green, and shift the point of interest from transactions to greater holistic advisory services.
- Among the ones holistic advisory offerings, particularly for complicated dangers, there is a want for insurers to help customers use hazard as a lever to obtain different enterprise desires—and in a few instances, to avoid dangers in the first location.
- Disruption has many insurers targeted on virtual experiences—but, semi-virtual reports, with human intermediaries, may be high quality, particularly with complicated products.
Reframing chance & disruption, with Eric Joost
We’ve had the honour of interviewing some of the sharpest thinkers in coverage, and together they paint a picture of an industry in flux, whether that means self-driving motors, artificial intelligence or the changing face of fraud.
This episode’s visitor has greater than 3 a long time of coverage enjoy, and big thoughts on in which the demanding situations and possibilities are. Eric Joost is the worldwide head of property and casualty at Willis Towers Watson, the 1/3-biggest coverage broking in the international.
In this episode, Eric talks about how the enterprise has changed over the path of his career. In specific, he addresses the shift from that specialize in transactions to offering extra holistic recommendation, and the way conversations approximately danger—and handling threat—can assist clients reap enterprise goals. He also talks about the blessings and limitations of virtual studies.
The following transcript has been edited for length and clarity.
Tell me approximately your function at Willis Towers Watson and your areas of consciousness there.
We do 3 matters at Willis Towers Watson, that is truly inside the category of humans, danger and capital. We’re a merged business and with the intention to communicate to a number of the matters I’ll speak about. [Editor’s note: Willis and Towers Watson merged in 2016.]
I normally awareness my time inside the threat a part of our commercial enterprise, no longer exclusively. And I’m a part of our global leadership crew. I do a number of work around method and connectivity. So: how do we comply with global traits wherein customers want provider and movement globally?
In addition, I do plenty of work around client revel in: shipping, and consistency whilst it’s relevant. What are our abilities? How do the ones capabilities need to trade? Are we supplying enough context for clients in a complex world?
Connected to that I look after all our generation, and that’s the whole thing from rationalizing some of the historical things within the tech stack, to investing and innovating around new areas in which we’ve been pretty active.
And then ultimately, I spend a variety of time searching out possibilities between our larger commercial enterprise devices within the organization, for whilst we've got corporations that want to mix a communication approximately danger with a communication about human beings. It’s not for every person, but when it’s there we spend loads of time doing it.
Fascinating, and clearly a variety of possibilities for go-pollination as this global turns into extra blended. I consider that there could be more possibilities for those types of conversations.
You know, I think we’re all seeing the ones types of things––and it’s now not a war, it’s simply remembering to satisfy the clients wherein they're. Certain clients want that communication and recognise that there’s nothing in the hazard international that isn’t either first off or substantially impacted by means of how humans behave… and that’s an oversimplification.
If you really want to deal with chance, you’ve got to address human beings. I think all and sundry makes that connection. So it’s about asking: Is their commercial enterprise inside the manner they want to run the enterprise, in a place where they need to act in that style these days? Not constantly, however we’re prepared for those which are. And those that aren’t, we’re prepping the environment so that as we get more use-instances we are able to make the business case clearer to humans.
You’ve been in insurance for extra than thirty years, at Aon, Allianz, and previously Willis, previous to the merger. And obviously our international has changed distinctly over that time period. I’m curious, what are a number of the largest modifications you’ve visible inside the coverage enterprise over that point?
That’s an awesome query. And I’m smiling a chunk because it when I changed into more youthful, I used to invite that query plenty––in particular once I saw people that mentored me retire, , “What have been the biggest adjustments you’ve seen?” And so now I’m feeling a bit elderly at this point by means of the reality that you asked the query the way you did, that is absolutely fine.
I mean, I think of it in four classes:
- Speed
- Data and analytics
- The size of the marketplace
- Broker consolidation
Technology sincerely affects speed, and information and analytics. When I got here into the commercial enterprise, it changed into letters, it become faxes. Now it’s internet, now it’s e mail. There’s a number of excellent matters that that’s added. But with the aid of the equal token, what I have noticed that I don’t genuinely revel in, is that whilst you have been using a letter, the writing and the thoughtfulness that went into that letter become very deep.
To some degree, as a ways as the rate is became on inside the enterprise, there’s been a lower in thoughtfulness to a few diploma, and a decrease in context. Information’s transferring, however no person’s placing it collectively for humans as well as they used to. And so a alternate that’s very beneficial for efficiency, shifting statistics and making decisions is first rate. But I’m no longer sure that we’re usually proper, as an enterprise, at supporting our clients see through that complexity.
As the quantity of content records will increase, the hazard we are facing is that the context goes away. And I assume a number of that’s taking place. We’re running certainly tough and we received’t be best, however to try to get people to sluggish down, and to virtually project each different with, “What is the message within the narrative you’re handing over?” and no longer, “How fast can you reply?”
On the advantageous facet, the era has truely helped on the information and analytics. And it’s now not that we didn’t have records and analytics before, however the speed, the data of the to be had datasets, the access to statistics greater quickly, has been remarkable. You’re now able to convey almost any state of affairs––to almost any chance state of affairs––better quantitative outputs to measure the threat and degree the picks than we’ve ever been capable of do earlier than.
That doesn’t suggest that the coverage international’s being run with the aid of machines or everything is quantitative. Thirty years in the past, the maths, the quantitative enter absolutely wasn’t there, and there has been simply too much weight on experience and battle testimonies. All this quantitative output and insight is getting complemented by means of enjoy, constraints companies have, what peers do. It’s very complementary.
So I assume that’s actually beneficial. I also assume that the records and analytics that we’re building today—and we’re getting higher round how we organize that records—in order to power innovation the subsequent 10 years. It’s a vital thing to get other individuals within the marketplace, so I’m very optimistic.
The closing two things are the dimensions of what is insured nowadays, and we want to insure more. We can appearance post-catastrophe and move, “There should were more coverage purchased.” But it’s simply the size of the way the market’s grown, along side the sector economic system. It’s remarkable to me.
And then the last aspect which probable has some proper and horrific in it, is I work for a totally big dealer. We’ve been a consolidator. Aon, wherein I worked before, is a consolidator of brokers. A lot of factors have come out of the huge amount of dealer consolidation that’s gone on over the past two decades, and the consolidation that keeps.
What have been the top 20 agents is simply concentrated, almost in the top three or four now. There are many splendid things about the size we’re able to carry. It brings many greater experts to bear than we ought to ever probably come up with the money for inside the beyond. It brings technology and leverage throughout the complete enterprise.
On the bad facet, I don’t necessarily assume consolidation is horrific, however it creates perceptions around lack of preference or market energy, which may be hard for us to…now not guard, but speak approximately and articulate around. My feel is if I speak to customers—and I do quite regularly––they’re now not brief on desire. There’s lots of choice, there’s lots of opposition. But I can see wherein this awareness of electricity can be positioned otherwise in humans’s thoughts and that’s no longer usually a high-quality aspect.
Certainly. And those 4 changes clearly have changed the enterprise, and I consider, the broker facet of factors. There’s this old-school photograph of insurance, that it’s sold and offered on the kitchen desk. And to a point that’s possibly nonetheless going on, however in what ways has the function of the broker modified through the years?
That’s the stereotype, you just described it. And to a few diploma I’d agree it’s nonetheless accessible and I suppose in some cases that’s an awesome component. When I first got here within the industry, there has been a number of pressure round what today are more primary things––which is, customers needed coverage to protect them. Even with very large clients, corporate customers, the stability sheets weren’t so citadel-like as they may be nowadays.
So it used to be approximately virtually simply setting insurance and the technique you went via. In a few cases, is insurance even to be had? And other instances, how a whole lot insurance can I buy? Because the marketplace wasn’t absolutely evolved and obviously there’s always “How much does it price?” There was a whole lot of attempt around the location and getting human beings to recognize the manner they’re going thru. That meant physically bringing people around the arena to exceptional insurers to enhance, “I’m extreme about this. I can let you know a extra nuanced tale about why I manipulate risk better,” and so forth and so forth.
Now if I transition to nowadays, it’s now not that that work doesn’t exist––it does––and all the ones things nevertheless do rely. But to some diploma or some other, we’ve introduced as an enterprise quite a few performance to that. I mean, I can literally have a broker inside the center of the US today and put them into the worldwide marketplace inside a depend of mins, whether it’s thru email or one among our broker systems. From the time they start to consider, “OK, here’s a way to explain what the client’s doing, here’s what I’m looking for.”
That isn’t applicable for every unmarried one in all our customers, however that’s an superb shift from after I wanted to do this 30 years in the past, that turned into a four- or five-day piece of labor. I turned into assembling large binders of facts that wasn’t always structured technologically. And I changed into shipping it in FedEx and UPS packing containers all over the global after which following up with faxes and make contact with calls.
So we’ve made that part of it very green. It’s nevertheless very valuable, price transparency, price arbitrage, such things as that.
What we’re doing greater of is the advisory facet of our business. Too frequently while we speak approximately it, we tend to mention, “Well, the arena’s transferring to advisory and therefore the broker or replacement a part of the commercial enterprise is going away.” And it’s not. We’re still doing all that transactional paintings. In addition, we’re doing matters now—and this would be a subset of it—around instantly-up hazard management for our customers, helping them get within the trouble and reflect onconsideration on the threat of the hassle they’re looking to remedy.
I see. Can you share an example of this approach to hazard control, either out of your coverage exercise or from different components of Willis Towers Watson?
Things like assignment administration in the production space––very, very huge, huge projects. We take on quite a few the logistics round project administration, all of the subcontractors and all the other kind of components of insurance and associated problems.
By way of instance, 20 or 30 years in the past we had been just speaking approximately getting undertaking coverage placed. Today we’re speakme approximately, “How do we bend that fee curve and that danger curve from what was once perhaps 7, eight, nine percent of project charges, and now we’re speaking approximately 2, three percent.” And then here are the mechanics you may undergo to genuinely drive that similarly down.
And then we do heaps of settlement evaluation—now not coverage contract overview. It’s like you’re signing a huge consulting arrangement with, allow’s say, glaringly a purchaser––what are the manner implications around how you write that contract collectively? How does that knit together with, as an example, your professional legal responsibility coverage? For corporations of a certain scale, those are large choices they’re making once they’re doing, say, numerous hundred-million-greenback initiatives.
And then, what I might say––and I’m seeing this inside the production space and it surprised me as I’ve walked into it inside the closing couple years––we’re virtually talking to the entire atmosphere of large infrastructure tasks. And that’s everything from the financing, to the sponsor, to all of the one of a kind legal professionals and consultants. It’s approximately announcing, “listen, the manner we’re constructing infrastructure in the world is a touch bit damaged right now, and the problem is it’s maintaining cash from attending to essential infrastructure. The investment return’s not there, there’s too much hazard, and the margins are way too thin.” And via consensus with a lot of these members, we’re on the desk talking about, “How will we orchestrate this method or run the mission higher, in order that we are able to de-hazard those initiatives? We could make the returns extra reliable, and as a result we carry more capital into the development business.”
And once more, I couldn’t have imagined speakme about that 30 years in the past when I broke into insurance, and changed into seeking to vicinity administrators and officials liability for financial savings and loans within the United States.
That’s pretty the tale arc and what I’m gathering from our communique so far, Eric, is that while maybe before the coverage international and brokers have been lots more targeted on the goods and at the transactions, things have grow to be greater holistic.
It’s almost like using hazard as a lens to examine a enterprise and presenting no longer simply advisory offerings—what coverage merchandise do you want—but how can I, as an adviser, better assist you operate that risk in other parts of your commercial enterprise.
That’s a very good way of expressing it. You understand, I wouldn’t describe it as a light transfer changed and we determined, okay, now we need to be advisers. There’s one-of-a-kind nuance of this in all of our companies, but in order to be competitive, as we were searching for the transaction business, we became advisers. We commenced to realize that advice became a totally critical part of the conversation––for a person to believe you with the transaction paintings.
And the early levels of quantitative work got here in due to the fact competitively, in order to take a complicated scenario to market or a mid-sized state of affairs to marketplace, you needed extra equipment to explain to a client why they were risky, or why they weren’t risky. And that kind of stuff has usually been around the enterprise, however making it approachable for customers is now and again more difficult and we’re simply getting better and higher at it.
For example, we have a security business and it offers with kidnap ransom in components of the arena. And as a good deal as we promote coverage and offerings in the occasion anyone is probably abducted, someone stated, in wry manner—we found out our clients would a great deal rather by no means get abducted than should worry approximately insurance.
At the stop of the day, extra than likely you stay in rental or a residence. At the end of the day, you just don’t want the trouble of a hearth in your property––and now not due to the fact the coverage won’t reply, but because the whole thing else around it's far surely kind of a pain. You simply must go through this large mission for your very own. So it’s vital to assist human beings keep away from issues and lead them to feel such as you’re doing that during a manner that’s treasured to them.
There are examples now of extra state-of-the-art data and analytics in order to allow us to take two forms of hazard and correlate them towards each other, greater just like the monetary markets do nowadays. Maybe as a way to allow sure customers an capability to offset risk, wash it against one or every other and then perhaps in addition out the attitude portfolio. But you already know that’s a ten- or 15-12 months trajectory. I may also or might not be in this podcast by means of that point, however I’d want to see it happen.
We’ll have you back in 10 or 15 years and wax reminiscent approximately this episode. For now, I’d like to test…we’ve form of hinted at the disruption that’s taking region within the insurance enterprise nowadays. I’m wondering what that means for brokers particularly. You’ve noted pace and this need to respond quickly, however maybe at the value of context or narrative arc. You’ve talked about access to data and analytics that may allow an innovation, however could also be in reality overwhelming in case you’re no longer organized to cope with it. What are a number of these current demanding situations and possibilities within the dealer aspect of things?
I think you describe it pretty well. It’s a remarkable possibility for us. In extra instances it’s like the example I gave you in advance about the ultimate 30 years: what we had been doing in placement and broking in no way went away, at the same time as we’ve moved to more of an advisory function. I see a whole lot of similarities in disruption for us, meaning for the most component this truly creates new markets and new locations for us to specific ourselves, and work for clients to deliver fee—however it doesn’t necessarily do away with what’s happening nowadays.
When human beings discuss disruption, it’s thrilling to talk approximately a less difficult message: to talk about insurance and appearance to banking, and say we’re each in financial offerings and disruption will affect us both, and it’s likely these items. (And I could say banking has gone through that process earlier than insurance.)
But you already know, insurance, even inside the corporate and mid-corporate space where we’re in, for the maximum part operates in loads, if not heaps, of segments. And loads of wherein the disruption occurs is at the ones diversifications of loads and heaps, not at the enterprise stage. And that takes place first and important.
Nothing’s going to be disrupted except a client thinks it’s an amazing idea. And it occurs first after which the purchaser units the industry. What I imply through this is disruption [in different microsegments happens at different paces]: the development enterprise of insurance will disrupt at a one of a kind pace than the banking industry of insurance will disrupt, or the era.
And then thirdly, geography subjects in our space, and it’s now not simply because it’s a belongings insurance and a assets is a physical region, that does rely, it does exchange through geography. But you operate in exceptional regulatory environments and international locations and things like that. So the manner we look at it's far actually trying to break these things all the way down to the applicable sufficient segment that disruption can arise and then make that work at that degree.
It sounds like you’re describing disruption now not as this nebulous marketplace pressure, but as some thing that happens on the intersection of commercial enterprise segments. Can you percentage an instance of what this looks like in exercise?
You consider vehicle coverage––you can say in North America, you see in the US––it’s a completely virtual commercial enterprise these days. The US statistic is something like almost eighty percent of this stuff is accomplished thru the internet now. Now, what you would possibly leave out in the ones statistics, is the time for auto insurance to alternate within the US, with in large part the equal mechanics to some degree and ability to be virtual, has taken nearly 10 to 15 years.
OK. So that’s the inner most-penetrating, fastest-transferring piece of this disruption within the US––and there’s lots of interesting tangents to this, with computerized motors you get type of the sharing economic system, automation, computerized riding and stuff like that.
But in case you just moved from the car area in a consumer environment, you go to the small medium agency (SME) area, what you’re going to peer there may be human beings, clients––they’re typically marketers––they’re now not doing work simply between 9am and 5pm. They want simple, rapid get right of entry to to, “Hey, I need insurance. Here’s my statistics. Can I get an answer right now?”
Some humans have stated, “I’ll make that completely virtual and I’ll just smash the coverage agent.” I’ve visible humans stroll back from that because in the end customers want a semi-virtual enjoy. That is, as a good deal as I need a simple provide and to recognise what my alternatives are, I’m essentially managing form of a complex product and I need any person, at that last second, to stroll me thru a bit context.
But what is taking place in that space is a lot of these things is going digital. And then that forces a few reset in how you put money into technology—if you’re targeted on an SME segment as opposed to, perhaps, the huge and complex phase wherein we play. But it does allow you to begin observing how your customers paintings digitally, or how they have interaction with you. Meaning there’s masses of high-quality things that Google can see, and Facebook can see, and Amazon can see about the customer conduct. And in case you get out of some of the darker rhetoric that pops up, that facts gives you super ways to enhance the client experience. And so you’re seeing some of the ones groups getting pretty good at that.
And if you flip over to wherein we’re at, we’re in a distinctly custom space––that doesn’t imply it’s not being disrupted, it’s just some of this new technology is allowing us to growth our capability to serve digitally. And simultaneously, we’re able to get better and deeper on… if you think of a Fortune 50 business enterprise and the way they want to reflect onconsideration on hazard, and sincerely consider how they affect that, we’re capable of get into that a miles different way than we were 10 years in the past.
We can see charge arbitrage among the identical product in two exceptional markets right away now; before that became rumored to exist. We can take gain of that for our clients. We can convey transparency to our clients. That became hard 10 years ago.
And then, by the manner, a number of the disruption is helping the executive side of our enterprise get more green, whether or not it’s with the aid of being extra technological, the use of much less people or just being greater powerful, much less errors inclined. Things like that.
But, once more, we use that assemble to speak approximately insurtech and era, and the way all this is affecting us, because till you’re at that sort of section intersection, you’re in all likelihood talking approximately the problem in way too a macro context that doesn’t apply very easily to any part of the enterprise. 
It does and it appears to me…we’ve referred to challenges and possibilities and that they have a tendency to be two sides of the identical coin. Given the velocity of adjustments––and you’ve referred to regulatory environments and geography––I’m questioning from a broker perspective, how does that affect their capacity to preserve up with the changing regulatory environment? Both in phrases of what regulates their paintings, in addition to policies coming down from the person insurers as they try to reply to those shifts within the market. Can you comment on that perhaps splitting between form of the client and SME level versus the corporate stage?
I imply first, it’s a good factor. And we function in loads of countries and we need to honor that very really.
If I just take the window of the last 20 or 30 years, it’s absolutely a more highly-priced surroundings to perform in. Just to have that well controlled and understood, it creates a bit of bewilderment, because as you can consider you’ve got quite a few one of a kind regulators, exclusive places, humans, human beings with exceptional factors of view… What I do see even though, which is good, I suppose on the customer side, I see a increasingly of a gap of the regulators to an surroundings of protection for the client, but simplicity inside the transaction.
Not anyone’s getting it right, but the route of travel’s accurate. And I think that if you need to have a relatively green marketplace, at some point it can’t just be, “Hey, here's a technological evaluation device and it just spits out a few matters that shall we making a decision.” You want a better experience of what you’re buying, what it does and how you need to have interaction with that product if something goes awful, things like that. So we’ll by no means get it best, however it’s getting in a pleasing place. And so I think that’s fantastic.
You know at the complicated facet of things, on the one hand we get a whole lot of scrutiny. The Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) inside the UK simply launched a file on the dealer and wholesale London market and normally, I think we obtained it quite nicely. But it’s additionally laid out loads of factors that I could simply assessment with after I first joined insurance.
There are conflicts of hobby while you’re buying and selling matters and simply being capable of control the ones conflicts accurately––because they do need to be controlled, they are able to’t all be eliminated––is crucial. And so how we manipulate those conflicts, how we speak approximately those conflicts, how we teach people on the ones conflicts, and the way we give an explanation for the commercial enterprise, which was perhaps very un-transparent 20 or 30 years ago, versus how we provide an explanation for it today, it’s critical.
Clients have truely each proper to recognize how it works, how the marketplace comes together, how we’re compensated and things like that. I think all that’s healthy, due to the fact to some diploma once you make that component very efficient and understood, it lets you have a higher and a more trusted communique about your advice, where else you can stretch a number of those ideas. But if you could’t get to the believe you’re going to be in a pretty transactional place, consumer or company.
So I’ve been a large fan of loads of these items, and for the duration of my career I had been introduced into this stuff due to the fact not the whole thing works as smoothly and flawlessly as you would really like it to whilst you’re round tens of hundreds of fellow workers.
Eric, thank you very a whole lot for taking the time to speak with us. I’m excited to continue our communication in the subsequent episode.
I’m searching ahead to it.
Summary
In this episode of the Accenture Insurance Influencers podcast, we mentioned:
- How era, information and analytics have enabled velocity in these days’s insurance marketplace. In turn, that has helped industry gamers shift from transactional services to more holistic advisory relationships.
- The diminishing context provided by using pace—and the price in moving from “How can we deliver this quicker?” to “What is the message that needs to be communicated?”
- In addition to protecting risk, insurers can offer value in assisting clients mitigate hazard, or use chance as a lens for addressing broader business targets.
- Digital isn’t usually the solution—from time to time, a mixture of digitally and human-enabled experiences can supply extra value to clients, especially with complex products.
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